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Ari Shtein's avatar

It seems to me like your metaethical objection is strong enough to stand alone against Amos' case as he formulated it, but I do still have some thoughts...

I guess, firstly, I'm not sure that it'd *always* be imprudent to engage in friendship-monogamy. If two partners happen to be predisposed to (very psychotherapy-resistant) extreme jealousy, then it really could be a mutually beneficial arrangement for them. Probably, though, in real-world cases, efforts to overcome jealous feelings can be expected to accomplish more good than imposing restrictions on yourself and your partner. Still, this seems like enough to rescue Amos' defense of pro tanto permissibility.

> I find that what’s wrong with friendship-monogamy, even in cases that meet Wollen’s conditions, is that the partners involved are embracing dispositions that go against love for one another.

Amos is more deontologically inclined than I am, so probably would consider this objection pretty strong, but I'm not a huge fan. Some time ago, I looked into different conceptions of love, and found myself most attracted to views of love as union. When two partners love one another, they begin to integrate consideration for the other's welfare as their own, and together form a 'we' that acts in increasingly-perfect harmony with their mutual interest.

On a consequentialist reading of this, it doesn't seem like disposition is relevant at all outside of action. If my love for partner implies only that I'll act in her interest as if it was my own, all I need to do is the acting like it! If my partner actually does become interested in maintaining an external friendship, I'll reevaluate my stance and act accordingly. Ah, but you write:

> Clearly such a response wouldn’t show that their relationship is merely no longer monogamous; it’d show that their relationship wasn’t even monogamous in the first place. Monogamy, whether of the friendship- or regular variety, must be more counterfactually robust than this.

I think monogamy *is* more counterfactually robust than your example, because your example is a bit of a strawman. Again, in this play-world where two partners are extremely and irrevocably jealous of one another, it would take a very strong external interest for the expected utility of de-monogamizing to become positive for either partner.

The wonderful thing about the union view is that it explains how love can solve coordination problems like this seems to be—monogamy might be better conceived of as an emergent result of certain preferences for exclusivity, not a strictly-followed rule in most relationships. Seemingly, most people who describe themselves as monogamous could imagine a situation in which they opened up their relationship if they found sufficiently great additional partners and were able to keep their jealousies at bay.

I think you have a strong case for most people reflecting on what it would take for them to abandon monogamy (and probably updating strongly toward openness to polyamory), but it seems like calling it morally wrong in general is unwarranted.

Ah, I also want to defend the aesthetics of specialness a little bit:

> More generally, finding exclusivity valuable on aesthetic grounds seems bizarre to me—a bit like enjoying a beautiful painting, but then becoming upset upon discovering that there are other beautiful paintings, or that some of these other beautiful paintings are of the same subject. Were someone disposed to feel that way about paintings, most of us would probably think that he should try to train himself out of feeling that way.

This seems wrong to me! Most people would probably think an original Picasso to be more valuable than any copies, even an expertly-done counterfeit. I think this preference is related directly to aesthetics (and any extra benefits like signaling wealth are downstream of that), and that the value is derived directly from scarcity (read: specialness).

The scarcity bit is easiest to defend—there's really nothing separating an original Picasso from its many imitations than the fact that it's the only one of its kind. Of course, maybe I'm delineating "kind" too arbitrarily—what separates "Guernica-looking thing by Picasso" from "Guernica-looking thing by Shtein"? But that's stupid, we care about intellectual property for a reason. Clearly the artist has a special relationship to his work, even if it's difficult to express exactly what it is.

Why does "value" in the general sense relate to aesthetics? This one is harder for me to justify, but I think the right answer has something to do with revealed preference. If society puts a higher price tag on an original piece of art, it seems like we should assume that the many individuals responsible for creating such high demand have appraised that originality to be aesthetically worthwhile. Maybe this is all a signaling game—but, if so, I'm not sure we have any reason to think of aesthetics as more than a signaling game! Whatever it is that causes people to like a Picasso also causes them to like an original Picasso even more.

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Daniel Greco's avatar

This is in the ballpark of Benjamin Hause's question, but I'll ask it on a separate thread.

It seems to me that the question of whether we should approve or disapprove of monogamy norms should be much more engaged with sociology, history, and evolutionary psychology than this discussion suggests. The classic defenses of property rights that I find plausible--e.g., in Hume--treat them as a kind of social technology for enabling long-term, costly investment. E.g., you want land to be cultivated. That won't happen if, after you've reaped and sowed, anyone can come along and take your harvest. But if people have exclusive rights to the fruits of their land, which will be defended by courts, then society will be much richer, as land will be cultivated, and there will be more food to go around. So if we're thinking about the morality of theft, we should really think about the institution of property, and what value it does or doesn't serve, rather than just directly consulting our intuitions about acts of theft.

Similarly, it seems to me that we should see monogamy norms as a kind of social technology for producing various goods, especially in light of the fact that the historical alternative to monogamy has tended to be polygyny, and there's reason to think that's a kind of default equilibrium in the absence of norms to the contrary. If in the past that involved harems, even today, online dating markets often look de facto polygynous; a few men get lots of dates and don't commit to anyone they date, and most men getting few or no dates, and most women dating some of the highly in demand men. Two of the main advantages of monogamy relative to alternatives:

1. Reducing competition among males: when a few men have lots of partners, and most men have none, you tend to see a lot of conflict and competition, often violent, among men. Polygynous societies historically tend to see a lot of internal conflict and war, perhaps sometimes as a mechanism to remove surplus men. Relatedly, polgynous societies tend to be pretty patriarchal.

2. Investment in children: when children are raised in monogamous pairings, fathers are much more likely to invest in their upbringing. Historically, children in polygynous societies see a lot less paternal investment. Certainly of time, if not resources. What might things look like under contemporary ethical polyamory? Who knows, but my guess is that there will probably be a lot less paternal investment in children than under monogamy.

Obviously there's lots to say here, and I'm just gesturing at complex and contested considerations, but it seems to me that if we're thinking about what our attitude towards the institution of monogamy norms should be, these are the sorts of questions we have to address. We shouldn't treat the question by thinking about couples in isolation, and consulting our intuitions about whether they'd be treating each other fairly by imposing monogamy requirements on each other. Maybe your approach to ethics is deeply intuitionist/deontological?

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